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How Santa Claus Went Viral: Interview with an Influencer Lawyer

It’s a special Christmas miracle episode. Tune in to hear the heartwarming story of Steve Lantz, a Santa impersonator whose respectful response to a child’s hesitation to sit on his lap went viral. Influencer lawyer Ethan Wall and co-host Shawn DePasquale discuss with Steve the importance of affirming a child’s autonomy, his journey in the Santa Claus industry, and the unexpected fame from this viral moment. This episode provides a unique perspective on the impact of social media and the power of positive messaging:

Ethan

Welcome to the social media law cast I am your host social media attorney Ethan wall with me is my friend and co-host Shawn Deeppasquali hey Shawn

Shawn

What's up dude how you doing merry merry holidays merry christmas we're both jewish so it's weird saying merry Christmas to you feels fake merry Christmas happy hanukkah it's over.

Ethan

Now it's cool. Brilliant yeah happy holidays merry christmas look it is but I was so glad I got to celebrate it with you out in California the big spoiler at the end of our episode a couple weeks ago

Shawn

Ed.

Ethan

I was I was in your living room the entire time lighting the menora with you and your wife was awesome. So but I have to apologize I'm sorry a lot of things over our twenty plus years of friendship. But.

Shawn

Yeah, there was yes yes, good for which thing. Okay, all right.

Steve Lantz

Um.

Ethan

But first and foremost or I guess the the biggest apology is I didn't get you a gift for the holidays this year but I have the perfect person to give you your gift this year

Shawn

Yeah, it's true.

Shawn

What Ethan what? no way eat Ethan on my roof. Ah, he's.

Ethan

Um, yeah, ah yeah.

Shawn

He's walking around. He's clumping around up there. Ah oh my God Oh he's trying oh my good. He's really its a buy got a giant roof. It's really big. It takes him a long time to get to the Chimney probably Wow Ah, ah.

Ethan

Um I understand way.

Shawn

What's that wait? Ah, ah at my fireplace even look. It's so magical if although you can see it's just happening right off camera oh my gosh. It's Santa Claus he's

Ethan

Um, I know yeah.

Shawn

He's here now. Ah.

Ethan

Ah, yes, John I am so excited to introduce to you my good friend. Not only Santa But Steve Lance Steve is an accomplished actor. He's a longtime friend of mine for over fifteen years he is the executive director of team respect a nonprofit that supports student athletes. He's a chaplain for a university football team and if all of that is not impressive enough. He is also Santa Claus Steve

Shawn

Your home.

Ethan

Welcome to the show.

Steve Lantz

It's good to be here guys. Can you can you? So for those on the video feed can you see me now these glasses. It's like the opposite of Clark Kent without the glasses I'm just Steve.

Shawn

Um, yes, ah.

Shawn

Sure there he is. Wow.

Ethan

But a yeah there he is I me see about it. Oh.

Steve Lantz

But then you you put these bad boys on now and and if someone wants to give you kiss on the cheek you do one of these. It's it's it's it's fun man I'm so glad to be here.

Ethan

Ah.

Shawn

Ah, well and speaking speaking of cheeks in case, the listener is not aware. This is a rosy cheeked white bearded baldheaded Jolly looking man.

Steve Lantz

Um, hey hey easy on the ball easy on the ball I I still use of Hairbrush and hair products all right.

Ethan

Ah.

Shawn

Ah, yeah, ah it is. It's it is Santa Claus but also it's Steve because Steve and santa they I mean he's he's got the overalls the red suspenders I mean the whole deal the whole bit. He's in the workshop. It's It's really remarkable. Ah so Steve I guess let's start at the very beginning. How does one is do you age into Santa Where one day you get up, you get out of bed. Oh you look in the mirror and you go oh shit I'm the guy now.

Steve Lantz

Okay.

Shawn

Or do you go like someday I'm going to play Santa Claus and I'm going to live the lifestyle that I need to live to build to this moment where I'm going to be someday old enough and wise enough to embody this mythical figure.

Steve Lantz

You know there's a little of both in there as Ethan mentioned I'm an actor and what he didn't mention is I used to be a craft beer bartender and we we was at a place where we met where we were on the cutting edge of the craft beer revolution.

Shawn

Cool.

Steve Lantz

And I had a big giant beard long before hipsters were doing big giant Beards. So one day I um I was fortunate I did a home depot commercial about fifteen years ago and then. About twelve years ago there's another home depot commercial and a friend of mine said Steve you really really should do this and um I checked it out. It turns out they they didn't have any roles for white actors which is fine. You know there's a break. There's what they call a breakdown but 1 of.

Shawn

Check.

Steve Lantz

The the roles in the breakdown was Santa Claus and I was I was just barely forty years old I go you know what I got a big beard I can do this so I told my agent to submit me she was hesitant the casting director was hesitant to put me on camera but I said no I went down to Sally beauty supply. Sprayed it out I've got pictures somewhere. It didn't look like this at all. But I auditioned I got a call back I booked the role and so I was in ah I was a home depot Santa Claus about twelve years ago and I figured first off I thought it'd be the Christmas commercial that would repeat every year. No it wasn't it ran for three weeks so there went my retirement plan b ah and and then after that I didn't get any more santa rolls last year someone

Ethan

Ah.

Shawn

And oh sir.

Ethan

50

Steve Lantz

I finally said you know I gotta do this and I got I mean I'm um, last year I'm fifty years old I'm thinking if I can do this now. Get it while I'm still young relative to other old santa guys I could have a gig for a long time but I just didn't know it. it's it's it's funny there's this

Shawn

Ah.

Steve Lantz

There's an industry. There's a Santa Claus industry out there and it's kind of hard to it's kind of like that. It's a little it's a little strange they don't reveal much. They don't tell you what they get paid on gigs.

Shawn

Tight like a secret network like a secret Santa network.

Shawn

Yep.

Steve Lantz

Um, they they they don't share. Ah they share some information they like say here here's how to get a good suit here's some ideas like like I've learned they don't give an all away but you know.

Ethan

Right? They can't give away all their secrets right? or also a secret santa society in the first place.

Shawn

Um, yeah.

Shawn

Um, this is this is interestingly this is ah there's a lot of Parallels I'm hearing too I have a a friend who is a magician like a professional magician he in these.

Steve Lantz

Month back.

Shawn

You know, ah got a membership to the magic castle and he performs in vegas the whole bit. He's been on the pen and Teller show so he's like in as a as a magician and there's a whole secret language and network and and customs and understandings and places where they go to do their. You know shopping for their tricks that they would never tell anyone you know to go if they want to like start out in the industry. It's really amazing and so this sounds like a similar thing where you know they have their vendors. They have their places where they know they can get the real looking santa suits as opposed to the shitty Amazon buy yeah.

Steve Lantz

Yes, yes, and and and and and some things they reveal and you feel like oh they really got my back and then some things you find out and you're like ah that was that was like a half truth there. Um.

Shawn

To check.

Shawn

Interesting.

Ethan

Yeah, there's little petition in the in the Santa Market for sure now. Ah.

Steve Lantz

There shouldn't be I Honestly there's there should not be I think there's a there's a you know you sort of like just let the cream rise and let let the best man win but I find sometimes they they like to stack the deck so to speak. But but.

Shawn

No I agree.

Shawn

Sure.

Steve Lantz

Let's talk about the good side of it. This has been fantastic I was very reluctant you talked about thank god I didn't wake up one morning and look in the mirror and look like Santa Claus my stomachs bigger than it should be but um, my hair this is not my natural hair color.

Shawn

Um, yeah.

Ethan

So what? my then.

Shawn

Um.

Steve Lantz

And it's actually kind of hard to make your hair white because nobody wants white hair so you have to well I had a little bit so it wasn't hard to get this part but you know, but it's like little thing so I mean what man.

Shawn

Right.

Ethan

Yeah, you're telling me Steve you see this beard right here. That's good.

Steve Lantz

Wants to be told you know you'd make a good Santa Claus everybody wants to be told like like. For example, if you were an Elvis impersonator. You'd make a great young Elvis you don't want to be old Elvis you don't you don't want to be ah you know jumpsuit fat Elvis.

Shawn

Ah, no, no, you don't want to be nobody wants to be toilet Elvis um.

Ethan

The writer.

Ethan

No, we won't be the meme Santa Claus with with the he's Jack. He's got the system and there he's just got the slate there that goes back there and that's when I think of you Steve that's the Santa Claus I think yeah yeah, yeah, right yeah for she? no no no I think of that.

Steve Lantz

Um, yeah.

Shawn

Um, you think of them you think of a meme. Yeah, right? Yeah for sure.

Steve Lantz

Um, ah.

Ethan

The burley the the lumberjack style and still has the classic features but your face is now one that that is not just known from Chris Kringle but people know you because you have been all over.

Steve Lantz

Are the.

Ethan

Social media the today's show good morning America tell us how Santa Claus went viral.

Steve Lantz

Yes, well part of it starts. You have to a little bit of my backstory I'm ah I'm a husband and a father and I've got two kids ten years old and six years old ah a son and a daughter and um. I'm also a minister but I was ah I was a bartender while I was a minister. So I think Ethan can vouch that I'm not the the beach over the head guy I'm not going to attack you with the bible or anything like that I'm I try to follow the model of Jesus that drew a crowd and threw a party and that's.

Shawn

Share.

Steve Lantz

My model for how to be a minister not be an a whole like that's that's I'm not I'm not the a wholele guy I'm I At least I try not to be I try not to be.

Ethan

Unless you didn't pay your tab and try to run out then the other slide kind of came out but I've never experienced that I think that I remember Trump.

Shawn

Um, yeah, but that's you know that's a dining and ditching is one of the sins. So that's one of the it's the eighth deadly sin dining and dining and dashing.

Steve Lantz

Ah, you know one one it it is if yes, yes it it didn't make the top 7 but it was so close I actually went to a ah family. Ah.

Shawn

So close so close.

Steve Lantz

A table 1 time I got like about a thirty seven cent tip or something like that and I asked them what was wrong with my service and I was reprimanded for it. But I said no no, they deserved it. They it's like but a hundred dollar tab so yeah

Shawn

Yeah, well yeah.

Ethan

Hundred percent yeah they were on the naughty list that year for sure.

Steve Lantz

Well so here's what happens with the santa I'm trying and now also as a minister I'm trying to say okay, we've got Santa the the product really of Coca-cola advertising in the twentieth century. That's the image of Santa Claus we have in the us but he was based on.

Shawn

Um, down.

Steve Lantz

A guy named St Nicholas and folks are in the greek orthox church are familiar with him. He was Greek parents wealthy god well wealthy parents when they died they left him a lot of money he used that money to help purchase people out of slavery essentially move people out of poverty. He did a lot of good with his money. And think about it. He did so much good with his money that Santa Claus was invented based on his life I mean bill gates is giving away money. Warren Buffett's given away money and no one's going to tell the legend of bill gates or the legend of Warren Buffett but St Nicholas became St Nick became Santa Claus chris Kringle hell of a guy.

Ethan

Who.

Steve Lantz

I mean what a guy so I was thinking I have a responsibility to be bring that guy to life not just santa from the commercials but santa the guy who whose faith drove him to love people in a sacrificial way and and I'm also a parent. And I'm a husband and so this little girl comes to me this is this is at the ah the Ritz Carlton the cubas game and it was an odd number of things all came together. They gave me a chair that was way too small. So when I sat in the chair. My butt was like six inches above the floor I felt like a. Dork. The lighting was bad. They didn't have a professional photographer to take pictures. It's just people with their cameras. So I'm sitting down I'm sitting crossle and you know crisscross Apple sauce and so yeah, I'm a big I'm six two it's like my knees are out in front of me. So little kids tiny kids they would just come and just sit on my knee automatically I wasn't asking them to I would have preferred to have a bench or something but even toddlers I was looking up to them I was so low on the ground. So this little girl comes up and she kind of hesitates and I just said.

Shawn

Um, ah.

Steve Lantz

I used the word lap even though it was really my knee and I just said hey would like to sit on my lap and she said no and in that moment I'm like well what do I say? Well we've taught our own kids because we don't want them to get molested or anything like that and. And we want them to respect people when they get to a dating age and that sort of thing so it just clicked what I tell my own kids and what I tell my own daughter when she said no I said to her good for you. You know I don't remember the exact quote someone can pull it up. But. I just said you know way to go. It's your body and then you're in control of it and you don't have to sit on anybody's lap and even if Santa asks you to sit on his lap. You can say no and I and I even said her I said way to go I said you are a woman you're a young woman but you're a woman and you're going to be a powerful woman one day because you know how to say no.

Shawn

Yeah, yeah.

Steve Lantz

And you respect yourself enough to to voice. What is true for you.

Shawn

Well, that's that's beautiful I mean I First of all could not agree more with the with the sentiment behind it. The message behind it. It's a good way to raise your children not just. You know because you want to teach them about the dangers out there. But also to you know they're in control of their body. It is their body and they should be in control of it as as soon as they're born until they they aren't any you know and and and like.

Steve Lantz

Yes.

Steve Lantz

Yeah, the.

Shawn

That's it. So it's It's a good thing to teach a kid. It's lovely that you had that little interaction and it's beautiful to me that the reason that you went viral is because everyone was just so touched by this beautiful wonderful thing that happened that's it's just you know so.

Steve Lantz

Yeah, what would there were a couple other elements to this perfect storm. Um the the woman who did it. Her name is Katie Love and she had already been teaching these things to her child so there was that and.

Shawn

So Oh go ahead and. Got it? okay.

Steve Lantz

She is a social media kind of an expert. She has a firm that where she ah you know helps people go nuts on social media so she was recording I didn't realize she was recording what happened was I heard her say ah, what did you say to? my daughter can you repeat that. And the way she said it I thought she was speaking as a parent who had never heard this before I thought it was new information. So in that moment I was like okay I need to say it again but I need to say it clear and I need to to so to basically expand on what I've said because I thought. It was a teachable moment for her. It turns out it wasn't she's an amazing parent. She's already taken care of her daughter extremely well. But the beauty was because I didn't know these things she's recording it and my sort of instructions that went a little bit longer than normal went out to almost. Like the whole world. It's insane I had ah ah a santa commented today. He said no, anyone can sit on my lap or not it's their choice but I've never made a diatribe of it. This is cringe worthy and then a few minutes later he deleted the comment. Um.

Shawn

That's amazing.

Shawn

Ah.

Steve Lantz

Guess he realized what's cringe worthy about affirming the dignity of a child.

Ethan

Um, yeah.

Shawn

That's Interesting. So So you are getting some of this. Ah you know, whatever it is backlash that comes with this kind of thing that you do something nice something innocuous something that like most parents. You would think would be like oh yeah, good fair I mean whether either they knew it beforehand or you explain it to them and they go like oh yeah, that's a fair point and like yeah, that's good, but so but people always want to push back. So what?? what? how does that you you are a man of faith right? So How does.

Steve Lantz

Um.

Steve Lantz

Um.

Shawn

What is your your response to some of that pushback to like the oh he's he's a woke Santa or whatever you know it's it's so sounds nonsensical right? because like you're just like a dude who's like said a thing that he says to his kids so I want to know what is that like for you. And and you know how have you been in responding to it.

Steve Lantz

Well first off the the term I'd rather be awake than asleep and I'd I'd you know I'd rather be able to see than not see I'd rather be conscious than unconscious. So. In in the strictest definition of the word I'd rather be woke than not but with all the baggage attached to the word I'm not I'm not woke in the in the vernacular of today I'm so far from that so when someone calls me woke. It honestly, it's it's so stupid and ignorant and just completely out of touch. It actually doesn't bother me and I'm the kind of guy who gets I'm I'm very sensitive that that helps me be an actor I think being sensitive helps.

Shawn

Um, yeah.

Shawn

Sure.

Steve Lantz

To be a good santa. It also means it hurts when you don't get the part. Um, it hurts when people say mean things. But these mean things they haven't hurt because they're they're just dumb like what's the alternative. What's your.

Shawn

Cho.

Shawn

But because there there's there's.

Steve Lantz

Little girl sit on his watch hey listen if a strange man tells you to touch part of his body. You just say yes because that's the way it ought to be what dumb ask crap is that come on now.

Shawn

Yeah I mean and that's that's that's why I said I prefaced it with I think it's remarkable that you know I think if you isolated this and you just asked casually any random normal human being. They'd be like oh yeah, that makes total sense. But for some reason when you frame it in a certain way. People get in their head that like it's like some kind of attack on their beliefs or their morals or their religion or whatever it is and it's like ah you know I think you're a clear-cut case of like Nah. This was just a guy saying the kind of the most normal response you could say to a little kid saying.

Steve Lantz

Um, yeah.

Shawn

I Don't want to sit on your lap. You know like I mean and look yeah there is a version I guess where guy could have said like oh no, it's okay, come on. It's fine thatda and like coaxed her on and maybe a parent would have been like. Yeah yeah, yeah, get on there so I could get the picture and digit it up.

Steve Lantz

Um, yeah.

Steve Lantz

Um, not.

Shawn

And and I guess these people that are mad. Maybe that's what they wanted you to do but that doesn't ring true to you as a guy I would imagine as a dad. Even.

Steve Lantz

Yeah, well and part of it too is is you know we live in a world where people look at headlines and they believe the headline like okay New York post woke santa well you read the article. There's I'm not described as a woke guy at all.

Shawn

Red.

Steve Lantz

And and if you if you read the woman who originally posted it. She explains he said something to my daughter I asked him to repeat it now she said she asked that I repeat it so she could record it and I was like fine I I didn't realize that. But apparently that's what she asked fine I'm glad she recorded it. I'm so thankful. That this has gotten out there and it's become a teachable moment for a lot of people but I tell you ah go ahead. Ethan I was going to say I um, a friend of mine. She's probably in her sixty s she sent me a black and white photo of her screaming on santa's lap trying to get off a santa when she was a little kid.

Ethan

So what is it good? No please god Steve.

Steve Lantz

Um, recently I won't say the establishment because it's a wonderful establishment but I was at a a fine high end establishment recently as santa and there was a small boy probably about 4 years old began screaming now I was just kind of walking around on the property he was screaming. His grandparents took him away and the parents were they were about twenty feet away from me and I said now again I'm Santa in the moment. So I'm I'm realizing this kid. He's going to see me again. Not me Steve Lance but he's going to see Santa again. He's going to see a movie with Santa Santa is everywhere. And it might be the first time I see a kid but it's not the first time they see me and it's not the last time they see me because I'm Santa Claus this this guy who almost has god like qualities. He sees everything he knows everything he's everywhere every mall every party there. He is oh my god how does he do it and I just said to them please.

Shawn

Tear.

Steve Lantz

Tell your son I'm so sorry, please apologize to your son say Santa apologized for making you scream he is so sorry and they just laughed at me. And I realized in that moment I had more respect for their child than they did.

Shawn

Sure yeah.

Ethan

Sure now now. Yeah, tell us just because I know that your're reindeer I can hear their hooves they got about 8 minutes until they got to take off to the next clouds. Um, tell me a lot of people who listen to the social media law cats some of them are.

Steve Lantz

Yeah, yeah.

Shawn

Ah.

Ethan

Big picture creators influencers. They are already they are prepared to and their goal is to go viral. Okay, so they're ready for this and they know it and they're creating things all the time This wasn't you It wasn't an opportunity.

Steve Lantz

Um.

Steve Lantz

I.

Ethan

Where this was your time to strike. You didn't even know that you were being recorded. What was it like as a while You'relaner Claus a normal human to go viral having 5000000 views I think in 24 hours being on national news. What was it like to hear the ups and downs of this. And you know what happened next once you've realized wow this thing blew up in a way that I could never imagine.

Steve Lantz

Well, here's what's funny I was I was on a show this happened on on a Sunday night. It was December ah tenth December Tenth December twelfth in the morning I'm on the show called this be a thought Meica wake up America it's like the. The spanish good morning America Univision shoots over near doral. So I'm there and I'm I'm doing a live segment for a product I've got a couple dogs and and and it's fun I have a I have a blast and I'm thinking to myself. Wow this is big. This is big and it was.

Shawn

Sir.

Shawn

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve Lantz

It was big I then I come home. The guy who's been hiring me as Santa great guy. He yeah, he sends me a text says you'll be getting a call from the today show about your gig at. The Ritz Carlton on Sunday night and I'm I'm just baffled I have no idea why zero and I I I get a text like I mean immediately from someone hey this is so and so from the today show and I'm gonna be giving a call and and I told my wife and you better. Ethan Linda I said Linda the today's show is goingnna be calling. She's like why no idea and this person says well you have a video I should have pulled it up but she says you got this video and it's going viral and we're all applauding you for it. And I said what's the video she didn know that I didn't know and she sends it to me. Yeah, you recorded it. You know here's what's funny I created Tiktok account.

Shawn

Oh Wow So right because it was this ladies video and and and so did you ah have a social media account at this point it for her to tag you or she didn't even know who you were You were just a a guy.

Steve Lantz

Don't know Tiktok I'm like my dad now' I've hit that age I can do Instagram I can't do tiktok I struggle but I knew enough to know that I was gonna have to have a Tiktok account so when I started the whole santa season. First thing I did is I looked for a domain name and I don't even know if that's the first thing you're supposed to do anymore cause. That seems like the last place anybody's going to look but I found a domain I was trying to find something short and creative. The Rev Santa I found v revs I was like okay that's going to be it. That'll be me. And that sort of helped me define. Okay I'm going to connect it to St Nicholas and try to emphasize the reverend part but still Santa. Um, so then I was not sorry. It's rev Santa rev Santa but then I go on Instagram there's already a rev santa so I to be the Rev Santa

Shawn

Ah sure. Yeah.

Steve Lantz

Like yeah I might as well match on pickokck I'm the Rev Santa but there's like periods like the dot rev dot I don't know how Hots got in there but I didn't have an active account so I go on and I see it's already over like one and a half million views or something so I'm putting in you know. Ah, putting up my picture and sending a friend request and I'm trying to send you a message but you can't send a message unless someone follows you and by the time it's already over like millions of views. Um I wasn't tagged in the video and stuff so I don't even though there's millions. Ah, views of me I don't know if I'm going to qualify as a Tiktok creator or not um, but you know I had the stuff in place thinking that okay eventually but turns out I I had I should have been ready. Um I didn't expect this.

Shawn

Share.

Steve Lantz

But it's a good lesson that if you're if you're gonna be going out there and you're doing something that has the potential to go viral then take care of your business and at least have your basics set up when the today show I said well ah ah I guess I better activate. Put something on my domain now I've got a basic land and you go there. It'll take you to my Instagram from the Instagram you can reach me so I figure at least if somebody really wants to reach me they can but I was not ready. Not at all.

Shawn

Um, yeah, sure.

Ethan

So you don't have to send a postcard to the North pole to get a hold of you Now you can reach and but go and go into the website. Ah, for example.

Shawn

Um, yeah, good well and and that that's a good. It's It's the perfect landing place as as I hear ah you know the? ah.

Steve Lantz

Yeah, it's 1 one more way to reach santa you know one more.

Steve Lantz

Um, yeah.

Shawn

Getting ready of there. Rudolph's getting anxious because he likes to be very timely. He runs a very tight schedule. Ah so where can people find you you know what? what? What is the the website. What is the you know the exact handles and where so that people can reach out and.

Ethan

More thing.

Steve Lantz

Um, yeah.

Shawn

You know, give you a virtual hug.

Steve Lantz

The the simplest thing is um well I'll give you but the the website is rev santa.com I've got.org and the and I need to have all of those points to rev Santa so if they put the or on Instagram.

Shawn

That's great.

Steve Lantz

The Rev Santa on Instagram and it's from there. You'll find me and I don't have millions of followers I've got like 200 ah

Shawn

Okay, great. Well and you're about to get another one because I'm I'm gonna follow you ah for your wisdom and insight and to say that I know Santa Claus because of.

Ethan

I.

Steve Lantz

Hey everybody's that's the 1 thing I've really enjoyed a lot of posts have been shared and they say I know him I really know him and you too can say that you know Santa Claus

Shawn

Cool.

Shawn

Um, yeah.

Shawn

Ah, that's super fun and even if people want to file complaints about this episode because we didn't talk nearly enough about Hanukkah where can they reach out to you.

Steve Lantz

Let me say one 1 thing and this is really cool, really really cool in the I think it was in the people magazine article. They had a quote from me where I said 1 of my goals as Santa is to bring god's light into dark places.

Ethan

Um.

Shawn

Yeah.

Steve Lantz

And 1 of the best ways to do that is affirming the dignity of a child and I mentioned god's light coming to dark places while Hanukah was still in action. So not only am I awoke Santa I'm pro hanukkah to.

Shawn

Show.

Ethan

There We go there. We go and and that's that is um, one of the things I love most is that the wrong people sometimes go viral or people go viral for the wrong reasons but not your case.

Shawn

Ah, that's good.

Shawn

This was all the right reasons. Yeah.

Steve Lantz

I without.

Ethan

Exactly you're you're the right person with the right message at the right time. The internet needs you and the world needed more reaffirming messages like that. So so so very grateful you want to find the social media law firm. You search for the social media law firm online. You want to find the cold things at Ethan.

Shawn

That's right.

Ethan

Wall is up to visit ethanwald.com you can learn about the new game that Shawn and I are creating together learn about travels and learn about more cool things like my friend Steve Steve I could not be more grateful for you to be here so grateful for our friendship and so grateful that your wonderful message has gotten out to the world.

Shawn

Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you so much for doing this. We really appreciate it by Santa I've been so good.

Ethan

Ah, really terrific.

Steve Lantz

Oh Merry Christmas and happy hanukkah.

Shawn

Ah, he did it ah by even.

Ethan

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